Debate ng iglesia ni cristo at ang dating daan

In , after 21 years of reticence, the INC launched its own program, Ang Tamang Daan , as a direct response for the first time to Ang Dating Daan , featuring video footages and recordings of ADD hosts as issues were tackled. Over time, the animosity between the two groups has intensified and the relationship has been severely strained.

Their television programs contributed largely to the aggravation of their relations. On August 16, , the Movie and Television Review and Classification Board MTRCB preventively suspended the showing of the Ang Dating Daan program for 20 days due to slander and use of offensive and obscene language by its televangelist-host Eliseo Soriano , as a means of disciplinary action.

Soriano challenged the action in court, arguing that the suspension imposed by the MTRCB constituted prior restraint on the media and that his language during the show's August 10, broadcast was not obscene and offensive. Soriano filed a motion seeking the reversal of its April decision. The case stemmed from a complaint filed by members of the Iglesia ni Cristo, including its minister Michael Sandoval, due to statements of Soriano aired on August 10 referring to the minister:.

In attempts to end the conflict between the two groups, a number of debate arrangements had been in talks on different occasions. But while there were previous agreements made, no proper debate had actually materialized between the groups due to varying reasons. However, no representative from MCGI, including Antonio, turned up on the event and instead communicated through a phone call. The debate did not push through. The Ang Tamang Daan hosts responded that Soriano should have a debate first with the " Pope in Rome using Latin ," owing to a previous claim by Soriano that he would debate with the Pope, even in Latin.

Jose Ventilacion, an INC minister and trained debater student to Manalo, subsequently called Soriano's challenge to a one-on-one debate. Soriano did not want to debate with Ventilacion. In August , the Iglesia ni Cristo sued Soriano for libel after Soriano accused them of publishing explicit comic books depicting Soriano having homosexual sex.

The initial provincial prosecutor of Pampanga dismissed the case due to lack of evidence, but Raul Gonzales who was then the secretary of the Philippines' Department of Justice, had the prosecutor removed from position and reinstated the case. Eliseo "Eli" Soriano and two others were charged with falsification of public document at the Manila City Prosecutor's Office for allegedly faking the certificate of detention in order to post bail for his rape charges.

Investigation showed that Soriano never surrendered nor was he arrested or detained at the Pandacan station on June 21, but a certificate of detention was still issued on his behalf by Pandacan Police Officer 3 June Gumaru, said Criminal Investigation and Detection Group-Manila chief Superintendent Joaquin Alva. Soriano was indicted for the rape of his male follower at the regional trial court of Macabebe, Pampanga, was sued for violation of Article of the Revised Penal Code, along with a Pandacan police officer and a bondswoman.

On April 3, , Muslim leaders in Manila filed a 1-billion peso libel suit against Soriano for allegedly disparaging Islam and the Muslims in general, citing videos of him released to members of MCGI. The video was characterized as malicious, showing Soriano making irresponsible remarks and imputations of crimes against Muslims, exposing the Islamic religion "to public contempt and ridicule".

Apalit Mayor Tirso Lacanilao said "scores were injured", but that there were no serious injuries. This had even led to an exchange of lawsuits. Local police, on orders of the town mayor had gone to the restaurant and tried to stop the debate for lack of a mayor's permit. The police had been instructed to transfer the venue of the debate either at the ADD convention center or at the INC chapel in an effort to prevent any trouble. And that is according to the Holy Scriptures.

One important thing to consider is that the Lord Jesus Christ was born of man, but he was born of God first. And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

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God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Believers are begotten not in the sense that they came from the being of the Father but rather by the word of God. The pre- existence of Jesus Christ is very explicitly recorded in the Bible. When we say pre-existence we mean that before He was born or manifested in the flesh, he had already existed — but at a higher level of existence. If Christ did not exist before He was born of Mary, how can His spirit guide the prophets of old?

He even guided and followed the Israelites in their wandering in the desert. Was there a Christ in the beginning before the world began? The answer is clear — according to what the angel said to Mary — she will conceive and bear a son and will be called Jesus Luke 1: From the answer of this angel, the Christ started from the womb of the Virgin Mary upon the power of the Holy Spirit. If that is the case, why was Apostle Paul saying that Christ is the first of all things created, under his power all things were made, and all things were subject to him? This teaching of Apostle Paul is true because all things created were subject to Christ.

But there was no Christ yet but simply a plan that all things created will be subject to him. That is the reason he was born of Virgin Mary. The word is meant to deny the pre-existence of Christ and mark the start of Christ on the womb of Mary. Below is the original version in Tagalog.

Iglesia Ni Cristo Vs Roman Catholic Church Full Debate in Cebu 2014.

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Ministers of Manalo argue that Christ cannot be the wisdom of God because in the Bible, wisdom is being spoken of in the feminine gender. This is another ignorance that is deeply embedded in the minds of the INC ministers.

I thought they went to school and had at least some exposure to Spanish and poetry. His long discussions point out that the practice simply grows out of either of the following: What were we reading?

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A poem of praise? Then we are not reading a technical definition; 3 Gender in language or grammatical gender.

In English, the word wisdom is grammatically neuter, but not so in Hebrew. The Hebrew word is chokmoth, and it is grammatically feminine. Solomon used the literary tool of personification to extol the inanimate and abstract idea of wisdom as if it were a real person. By doing so, Solomon communicated a vivid illustration of the blessings of being wise.

In personifying wisdom, it was necessary to use the appropriate pronouns. The grammatical construction is an artifact of the process of personification.

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It is a lousy excuse and an evil one. The Iglesia ni Cristo agree and teach that Christ is the rock upon whom the church was built. In the form of Q and A, they explain —.

How did Christ set up his church? Christ was born a new man. Him and those who believed in him. How did Christ bear this new man? This is how Christ created a new man: He established his church on a rock. Who is the rock upon which his church is built? What is the rock?

objectifcoaching.com/components/choctaw/starstruck-rencontre-avec-une-star.php According to Apostle Peter, Christ is the rock. Therefore, Christ established his church on himself because he is the rock. Christ set up on himself his own church, that is what to himself and what is he to the church?